My dear brother, why do you deny the Prophetic Sunnah?
What need do I have for a probabilistic (Zanni) text when I have the Quran, which is definitive (Qat'i)? It is sufficient for me to worship Allah without the need for any other source!!
But brother, the Sunnah completes the Quran!
Completes it!! Is the Quran incomplete?!
No, not incomplete, but the Sunnah is supplementary to it.
Only that which is deficient needs completion!!
Aha!!! I mean the Sunnah explains the Quran, details it, and interprets it.
But Allah informed us that He revealed the Quran detailed (Mufassal), without the need for anyone to detail it for us. The proof is His saying: (A Book whose verses are perfected and then 👈detailed👉 from one [who is] Wise and Acquainted) [11:1].
This means the Wise and Acquainted, who is "Allah," is the one who detailed it for us, not the books of Hadith!!
Allah says: (And We have certainly brought them a Book which We have 👈detailed👉 on [the basis of] knowledge as guidance and mercy for a people who believe) [7:52].
In another verse: (And everything We have 👈detailed👉 in detail) [17:12]. Focus on the word "Everything."
Also: (A Book whose verses have been 👈detailed👉, an Arabic Quran for a people who know) [41:3].
And in Surah Al-An'am He said:
(We have certainly 👈detailed👉 the signs for a people who know) [6:97].
(We have certainly 👈detailed👉 the signs for a people who understand) [6:98].
(We have certainly 👈detailed👉 the signs for a people who remember) [6:126].
Look at Surah Al-An'am, for example; when Allah mentioned the lawful and the forbidden and the clarification of the Straight Path, He repeated the phrase (detailed the signs) three times to alert us that Allah's verses are detailed. But they require us to use our minds to know them. If we disable our minds, we will find it difficult to interpret Allah's words, and consequently, we will need "scholars and jurists" to interpret it for us. This is what the clerics want when they demand we disable our minds before the Quran and suffice with tradition (Naql)!! In many verses, Allah tells us He detailed His Book thoroughly, yet you say the Sunnah details the Quran!! By this, you are fabricating against Allah and attacking His Book without realizing it!!!
But there are things and laws that Allah did not mention in His Book.
How can you say this!!! Have you not read the Quran!! Have you not read His saying: (And We have sent down to you the Book as a 👈clarification for all things👉) [16:89]. Again, focus on "all things." What Allah remained silent about, He has not demanded of us.
Aha!!! No, brother, you misunderstood me. I mean the Quran and Sunnah are complementary to each other; one cannot be dispensed with.
But Allah Almighty said: (This day I have 👈perfected👉 for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion) [5:3].
When this verse was revealed—in which Allah informs us and His Messenger that He has perfected the religion—were the Sunnah books that you say "complete the religion" already written?
No, of course not.
And when were the Hadith books recorded?
The first Hadith book is the "Muwatta" of Imam Malik.
Fine, and when was it written?
Approximately 160 AH, give or take a few years.
Whatever the date, the point is it was written at least 150 years after the Messenger's death, right?
Yes, that's correct, brother.
Meaning, in the era of the Messenger of Allah, there was no such thing as Hadith books!!
Correct.
Nor even in the era of the Companions, who were more knowledgeable about the religion than the generation that followed them because they lived in the time of revelation!!
Correct.
Nor even in the era of the Successors (Tabi'un) who lived in the time of the Companions!!
Correct.
Yet the first Hadith book, which is supposed to be supplementary to the religion, was written 150 years after the noble Messenger's death!!
Yes 😤😤
This means the Hadith books were added falsely and slanderously to the religion, until they have now become established facts, and denying them is considered disbelief and exit from the faith, as clerics say!!
But brother, the Sunnah is revelation, as He said: (Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination. It is not but a revelation revealed) [53:3-4].
Brother, this verse you always chant means the Messenger is commanded to deliver the divine message, and that what the Messenger brought are commands from Allah.
Allah says: (O Messenger, deliver that which has been revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do not, then you have not conveyed His message) [5:67].
It means the Messenger is required to deliver the message without any addition or subtraction of his own. Allah's message to us is the Quran. When Allah says (Nor does he speak from inclination), He means the noble Messenger is the spokesperson for Allah, exactly as we hear the phrase "spokesperson for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs." What he says and declares is the words of the Ministry, not his own. He is merely a spokesperson; he has no authority to add or subtract anything of his own. He speaks the declaration as the orders came to him from the Ministry. If the Sunnah were revelation as you say, it would have been more appropriate for the Messenger to record it or order its writing alongside the Quran, or at least for the Companions to write it!!!
But Allah commanded us to obey the Messenger.
He said: (Obey Allah and obey the Messenger) [4:59].
In another verse: (And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from) [59:7].
These verses show us that Allah commanded us to obey the Messenger.
Obeying the Messenger of Allah is part of obeying Allah; there is no doubt about that. Anyone who says otherwise is either stubborn or ignorant.
The Messenger commanded us to follow the Quran and commanded us to adhere to the limits of Allah that came in the Quran. By adhering to these limits, we have obeyed Allah and the Messenger, because the Messenger did not bring legislation or anything of his own.
As for the second verse, it was revealed during the division of spoils (spoils of war). If you read the verse from the beginning, you would understand the meaning. Allah said at the start of the verse: (And what Allah restored [of property] to His Messenger...) [59:7]. The "Fay'" are spoils obtained without fighting. The Messenger of Allah began dividing the spoils with justice, not equality, so some men expressed annoyance and resentment. Thus, Allah revealed the verse (And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from).
Even if its meaning were absolute, the Messenger's commands and prohibitions are in the instructions of the Quran which he brought to us. When we hear Allah's words warning us against consuming the orphan's wealth, and then we find someone who consumes it, this person has transgressed Allah's limits and did not refrain from what Allah and His Messenger forbade.
Ahaaaa🤔🤔 No, brother, rather the Sunnah interprets the Quran.
We are back where we started. I will ask you a question.
If I adhered to the Book of Allah alone without any other book, because Allah's Book is detailed as He told me, would my religion be deficient? Would my Lord put me in Hell because I did not accept books that Allah did not command, and which neither the Messenger, the Companions, nor the Successors wrote, and which were recorded hundreds of years after the Messenger's death?
😤😤 No, but these books have the consensus (Ijma) of the Ummah.
My dear brother, you must know that consensus is neither a criterion nor a measure in religion. The criterion of religion is only what came in the Quran, not what came in any other book, even if the Ummah agreed upon it.
Allah says: (And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will 👈mislead you👉 from the 👈way of Allah👉) [6:116].
Furthermore, the majority does not mean the truth. The majority is criticized in the Quran: "Most of them: do not reason, do not understand, do not believe..."
But brother, there is consensus from the religious scholars.
I told you that consensus is not a measure. Allah commanded us to follow the Quran and warned us against following anything else. No one has the right to speak in the name of the religion or claim they have agreed on something Allah and His Messenger did not authorize.
He says: (Then do they not reflect upon the 👈Quran👉? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction) [4:82].
Why did Allah not mention the Hadith books? Are they not revelation as you say!! Allah spoke the truth; the contradictions in Hadith books are massive, even to the point where "Hadith scholars" are not certain of the validity of all the Hadiths they authenticated!!
He says: (In what statement (Hadith) after Allah and 👈His signs👉 will they believe?) [45:6]. He did not mention the Messenger's Hadiths!!
He also said: (And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this 👈Quran👉 as [a thing] abandoned") [25:30].
Why didn't the Messenger say: "They took this Quran and Sunnah as abandoned"!! Are they not his words and supplementary to the religion as you say!!
But brother, religious scholars have spoken on this, issued fatwas, and the matter is settled. The scholars labored, strove, traveled, and spent their lives seeking knowledge. Who are you to challenge their words? Religion has scholars who speak for it, and no ordinary human is allowed to speak on religion or issue fatwas on their own😠.
First, Allah does not burden a person beyond their capacity. He did not ask anyone to endure the hardship of travel and exhausting the soul for the sake of seeking knowledge. He is the one who said: (And We have certainly made the Quran easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?) [54:17]. Allah repeated this four times in a single chapter to signify the importance of the subject and that the Quran is easy. In another chapter: (We have not sent down to you the Quran that you be distressed) [20:2].
So, if they traveled and labored as you say, that is their business, because Allah did not command it.
Secondly, who told you that religion has "scholars" who speak in its name, and only they are allowed to speak while others are not? As if Allah revealed this religion only to scholars!!! As if our minds are disabled and we must understand religion through the understanding of "pious ancestors" who lived a thousand years ago!!!
Furthermore, who gave them the right to speak on behalf of Allah?
The answer: No one.
Do they have a proxy from Allah to speak in His name?
The answer: No.
Many stories Allah told us about nations before us, how they strayed from Allah's path. Allah informed us about the Jews and Christians, how they strayed after they took their priests and rabbis as lords besides Allah.
He said: (They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah) [9:31].
And also: (So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn) [2:79].
Allah warns us in these stories not to follow in their footsteps and not to fall into the same error they did, which caused them to stray. What was the result? We fell into the exact same error. The Jews wrote the Talmud and said, "These are the words of Moses!!" The Christians wrote the Gospels and said, "These are the words of Jesus!!" And we wrote the Sunnah and said, "These are the words of Muhammad!!" We fell into the very error Allah warned us about. In fact, we are more astray, because we knew the truth and were warned, yet we did it anyway. Isn't this a great delusion!!!
Allah said: (And do not be of those who associate others with Allah, [of] those who have divided their religion and become sects, every faction rejoicing in what it has) [30:31-32].
Isn't this what Allah warned us about!! Did we not fall into this error!! Did the books of Hadith not result in Sunni and Shia sects and multiple parties!! Every party and every sect has its evidence from its books and the fatwas of its scholars, and they attack and declare each other as infidels, claiming they are on the truth!! Isn't this a confirmation of this verse?
Also: (And do not be like those who became divided and differed after the clear proofs had come to them. And those will have a great punishment) [3:105].
Allah tells us these stories about those before us, how they strayed after the clear proofs came to them. We too received the clear proofs through the Quran, yet we strayed from the path, authored books, and said, "These are from Allah," when they are not from Allah. We divided and became sects and parties that are innumerable. Does the verse not describe our state today!!!
So, all Muslims, their scholars and the masses, are wrong, and you—who came after 1400 years—are right? 🤔
This is not a valid method of dialogue. Arguments are refuted with arguments, not with colloquial and emotional talk. I brought you arguments for the validity of my position from Allah's Book; these are Allah's words, not mine!! If you possess an argument from the same source, the Quran, then present it and challenge me with it!
Leave aside the talk of the commoners like "everyone is wrong and you are right."
😤😤 You are an infidel, a heretic, and an apostate because you seek to destroy the religion and abolish the Sunnah books that the Ummah agreed upon, and you call for a new religion. I will throw everything you said to me against the wall 😠
I am indeed an infidel—but an infidel in your "heritage." And I am indeed calling for a religion—but I am calling for Allah's religion represented by Allah's Book. That is why you see it as a new religion, because it differs fundamentally from the religion of your heritage, which you falsely claimed is the religion of Allah. Allah and His Messenger are innocent of this religion and the crimes and terrorism committed in its name. Oh Allah, how much this pure religion has been distorted, and how much this noble Messenger, the possessor of great character, has been defamed.
If your zeal were truly for the religion, you would have discarded the heritage books and thrown them against the wall. If you defended the Messenger of Allah, the possessor of great character, with even a quarter of the vigor you use to defend Bukhari, Muslim, Al-Kulayni, and others you call "scholars"—who distorted this noble Messenger in their Hadiths by depicting him as obsessed with women and sex, and defamed him further by fabricating that he married a child barely six years old and consummated the marriage at nine, and his supposed love for decapitation and his passion for shedding the blood of Muslims before infidels (like "burning Muslims who lagged behind the congregational prayer") and enslaving women and selling them in markets—you would have demolished these books. These books provided atheists and non-Muslims with a loophole to attack this religion and accuse it of being a religion of terror, and emboldened them to accuse the Messenger of Allah of being a prophet of killing and decapitation. These books are the womb from which ISIS and its sisters were born. But you do not defend the Messenger of Allah nor the religion; you defend your heritage and your clerics, and you fight to the death to defend them. You are ready to attack the Quran for the sake of defending your heritage. Your loyalty is to the clerics, not to Allah or the Messenger.
By the way, Sheikh, before you leave, why didn't you ask me the parrot-like question: "How do you pray? How did you know the times of prayer, their number, and their method?" I was expecting it from you, or have you installed a new update?
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